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Guildmaster Cain · Nov 06, 2006, 11:33 AM // 11:33

Hmm... I think you get the Elite Mission from the Goddess of Secrets in the Chantry of Secrets, that will only open after you complete the game. Use the search button to find my thread and pics about it.

Nanood · Nov 06, 2006, 11:44 AM // 11:44

So many complaining people..

I guess i'll have my bitch too and say that i'm so angry that i ... um.. Oh i forgot i'm not angry at all since one mission doesn't make or break the game for me like it sounds like it does for so many posters here.. Happy to play it when it gets here.

gg anet.. am having so much fun once again and thanking god that the missus is understanding of my addiction

The Primeval King · Nov 06, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

Wahaha, I'm a rank 10 Sunspear.

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Is that really important though? It isn't like I go around thinking "Oh yeah, I'm better than that little r6 sunspear noob."
thanks Anet for the elite missions coming up. put sapphires and rubies in them

Karlos · Nov 06, 2006, 11:47 AM // 11:47

I am sorry Gaile, I have to say I categorically reject the notion that placing a title with no means to acquire is some sort of a challenge. It is a bug, a very obvious one too.

I also reject the notion that those who "found a way around it" were doing something clever that the rest of us dolts were unable to figure out. As soon as I figured out the silly bug, I stopped trying. Because even though I knew about the glitch, it was meaningless for me to delete my character after she had accumulated 6 maximum titles. It was also meaningless for me to start a character from scratch just to get THAT title on him. That is know as throwing your life away.

The only ones who were "clever" in this whole ordeal are those who did not power through the game and defeat it brilliantly, instead went through slowly so that they knew about the glitch before getting stuck in Castellan. Yeah, kudos to them.

Sorry, Gaile, but I find your attempt at painting this gross oversight as some sort of a challenge that we gamers failed to grasp very insulting.

Zeph · Nov 06, 2006, 12:01 PM // 12:01

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Originally Posted by NagaSurayami

Especially when trying to make it sound like you are doing us a favor when the contents should have been here from the start.

That is the part I find annoying. It's one thing that the content we paid for is missing but to talk to us like your doing us the favor in adding it, leaves a bitter taste in the mouth.

/off topic

I wonder if gaile will comment on the drops in NF, be that chest and/or loot drops. They seem to be very very bad, is this a bug or "as designed". I know they are trying to kill off farming but NF seems really grim regarding earning money & getting good drops for your char & heros. I've still yet to see a single gold scythe from either a chest or dropped, and I've already completed the game with 1 char.

Considering they want to stop ebay gold selling, they seem to be playing right into the hands of those selling it. Already, after just a 2 weeks of NF I have heard a lot of people talking about having to go and buy ebay gold because they need armour or insignias or runes or weapons for heros etc etc and can't earn enough gold for half of these things by just playing through the game.

Coverticus · Nov 06, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54

Considering the game has only been out for a week and a bit, it's quite amusing to see the level of unhappiness being displayed by some (no critisism intended btw). Yes, we can't get to the top rank of LB/SS, which can be argued as a bug (and is somewhat irksome tbh). Yes we have no Elite mission at present but is forthcoming (Anet in general have missed a trick on this one though). Yes, there are a number of smaller issues in other areas.

But...

There is still enough in the game to keep 95% of the NF population happy. The release has to cater for all levels of players (as its not just aimed at the elite players) and I think the developers have done a very good job at this (far better than Factions ever was). But, as with any piece of software development, you will never ever get 100% of the features into the package for first release. Period. AreaNet, in my view, have made a top effort here but they have yet to finish certain areas off. Gaile can't tell us everything we wan't to hear as they may not know yet what has to be done (and it's not good PR informing the client base this). It also gives us something to wait for in the near future.

Also, be thankful this isn't being developed by MS

Sha Noran · Nov 06, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

This is no offense to her, but her position allows her very little flexibility and therefore I tend to ignore her/take her comments with a grain of salt. How many people adore her in a fanboyish manner is puzzling to me, but that's beside the point.

I only wish to add that the Sunspear Title Track lock should simply be removed. It is easy to say now that those with it now have no unfair advantage, but if the higher tiers are needed to gain access to some later content (/cough) they will have the advantage when this content is added later. I will be forced, along with countless others who didn't want to trick around the cap/capped at 8 without knowing, to grind out a whole lot of Sunspear points while those others who already have the ranking delve directly into the new and exciting features. Since there is a way around the cap now anyway, it would really just be best to get rid of it all together. I cannot see anyone complaining that it was lifted.

Geckoo · Nov 06, 2006, 01:16 PM // 13:16

I have an idea for the sunspear title that maybe is interesting...

Make a basis bounty for each zone and just raise or low it in fuction of the sunspear rank you have... so if in desolation they usually give you 7 points... make that with rank 7, they give you 7 points, but with rank 6, they give you 10 points and with rank 8 they give you 4 points.. apply this method to the hole game and you have a quite good bounty system and it's possible to reach the higher rank, just need much more work. And you are able also to add higher rank (r10, the perfect sunspear rez signet, sunspear legend) and you can only obtain it with a bounty of... 2 or 1 per each kill.

DergeDraconis · Nov 06, 2006, 01:19 PM // 13:19

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Originally Posted by Lucifer PVP

its not done .. nothing we can do .. i would rather wait then have them do a rush job on it.

+1

As I'm sure we're all disappointed that there currently is not elite missions, its best now that we let them take their time on it and get it right, since it's going to be "late" anyway. Hopefully it will require less patching than NF has so far.

Fender · Nov 06, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

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Originally Posted by Gli

My point exactly. I reached Castellan just before moving on to Vabbi, without farming for points at all. I've just been playing: exploring the map, doing quests, capping all elites, and sometimes going back to areas I completed to help guildies along. This got me to Castellan without trying.

Now, I've played through Vabbi, without blessings, and will play through it again, capping the elites and probably again helping guildies, and at the end of it, I won't have scored a single promotion point.

A few months from now, when there's absolutely nothing more to do in Kourna and Vabbi for my main (title collecting) character, I'll have to go back and grind for 7,000 points. Doesn't feel right to me.

Perfectly summed up. If I could still get points just normally playing the game now, I won't have to go back and farm these later. Why do title have to be grind? I'd probably be really close now if I wasn't locked by just playing the missions and doing quests.

WasAGuest · Nov 06, 2006, 01:57 PM // 13:57

As a different point of view, I see the forth coming Elite Missions and eventual addition of "working" expanding ranks (I do not consider things the players must work around to be working*) as a interesting move on Anet's behalf.
Factions was dead within weeks of it's release for many as they had seen and done about everything there was to do. These players then took their newly made Factions characters back to Tyria and played through that campaign.
Releasing the "end game content" later, months down the line will bring back players when it's released, and keep other players moving slowly through the camaign time to get there. Pretty smart move IMO.

My only wish, is that ANet would finally add in with the changes the ability to change looks, rangers finally getting a quiver so they can stop pulling arrows out of their... reconnects and an auction house. If these are finally coming in that update, I'll finally be semi content (AI must be fixed as well).

Any way you can tell us what is "planned" Gaile. Before listing, please add something like "planned additions - but not guarenteed to make it" so that nitwits don't take what you say as gospel and promises.

Thargor · Nov 06, 2006, 02:25 PM // 14:25

Thanks for the info Gaile!
It is great news that the title will be attainable and that the elite mission will be added. I could personally care less if I have to wait a few months or not, its not like that tile does anything for you right now anyways!
There are plenty of other things to work on like getting my other 7 characters thru the game, working on lightbringer title, cap elites, get the dervish and paragon thru prophecies and factions, etc...
I can't say I am surprised that there are many people crying about it not being in the release.
This whole "lets ask gaile for some info and then when she gives it to us lets beat her up about it cause anet isnt running their bussiness just to please me" crap is really old.
Honestly people, it is not Gaile's job to add the content, design the content, or even what info to release about the content. How about lets stop treating her like its all her fault and just be happy that she posts here with the info that WE ASKED FOR.
Thanks again Gaile!

Effendi Westland · Nov 06, 2006, 02:26 PM // 14:26

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Factions was dead within weeks of it's release for many as they had seen and done about everything there was to do. These players then took their newly made Factions characters back to Tyria and played through that campaign.

Yes for many the factions missions didn't bring enjoyment, many figured Tyria was a better place to enjoy their Canthan toons.

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Originally Posted by WasAGuest

Releasing the "end game content" later, months down the line will bring back players when it's released, and keep other players moving slowly through the camaign time to get there. Pretty smart move IMO.

No. You don't say something is going to be in a game, put it in the manual, and then don't have it in the game when the game releases. In the real world, with real products you would get a refund or some percentage of the sales price back.

Besides when they eventually do put it in, it is bound to be limited to rank 10 sunspears only or something, and current chars cannot (without a lot of work and knowing prior how) achieve ranks beyond rank 8. So your completed toon with whom you'd like to do the elite mission with will need to farm for xx hours to get there, something you cannot prepare for.

But truth be told these are minor issues. I'm enjoying NF alot.

Desires · Nov 06, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

I think the reason for the annoyed people including myself is that Anet is being so kind to give us a "Free Update". Its one thing to put something in the manual that will be ready in "months" I'm sorry if you include it in the game manual then its not a "free update" its part of the product.

This is what likely happened:

They had the game manual boxs ect.(and probably the prima guide that got axed) in my guess is september maby earlier who knows. Anyways it only became apparant very close to realease date that the elite mission wouldn't be done.

My best guess is they underestimated how long NF would take cause lets be honest compared to factions its like N64->Gamecube(not graphic wise though they did get a boost too) In all likely hood they had to put more things like raz and elite mission on the backburner to focus on the more core system bugs and even jsut missions ect. I mean lately I've started exploring the torment realem while farming LB points and must say theres some nice stuff in there that many people haven't seen yet.

bblackmoor · Nov 06, 2006, 02:38 PM // 14:38

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Originally Posted by The Great Al

I thank you again for your answer, however I feel almost as if this 'big update' is going to be something like...stuff that probably should have been included with the release of chapter 3, but is being held off so it can appear that we are getting a huge update. Well, either that, or the elite mission just wasn't done in time for NF.

It is natural to be disappointed when one expects something and doesn't get it, but the fact is that computer game design is a very time-consuming, labor-intensive, deadline-meeting, cutthroat business. Most people, even die-hard gamers, have little or no idea just how much work and how much stress is involved. The elite mission for Nightfall wasn't done by the drop-dead date. It happens.

bblackmoor · Nov 06, 2006, 02:46 PM // 14:46

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Originally Posted by Effendi Westland

No. You don't say something is going to be in a game, put it in the manual, and then don't have it in the game when the game releases. In the real world, with real products you would get a refund or some percentage of the sales price back.

No, in the real world you have errata for the manual -- if you are lucky. No one in the history of the world has ever received a refund because a manual had an error.

Kry Onicle · Nov 06, 2006, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by Karlos

I also reject the notion that those who "found a way around it" were doing something clever that the rest of us dolts were unable to figure out. As soon as I figured out the silly bug, I stopped trying. Because even though I knew about the glitch, it was meaningless for me to delete my character after she had accumulated 6 maximum titles. It was also meaningless for me to start a character from scratch just to get THAT title on him. That is know as throwing your life away.

The only ones who were "clever" in this whole ordeal are those who did not power through the game and defeat it brilliantly, instead went through slowly so that they knew about the glitch before getting stuck in Castellan. Yeah, kudos to them.

Your speaking about the same group of people In both paragraphs there. As far as I know, the only r9 Sunspears are in StP(or, atleast the first 6-7 or so were), due to finding out before reaching r8 Sunspear,you couldn't progress and so a way aroudn was worked out. So, your first paragraph doesn't make any sense to me, as its referring to the same people in Paragraph two. Except for the fact that we did power through the game, but still found out early that Sunspear wasn't maxable with r8.

Glad we'll be getting the elite mission eventually. Rather then spending more hours trying to find it, Ill actually take more chars in now

Clone · Nov 06, 2006, 02:49 PM // 14:49

So, Anet's official stance is that the game was intended to be incomplete at release? Gaile, post all you want. Its somewhat amusing trying to see you spin this as a good decision.

Avatara · Nov 06, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

I think everyone should be reset to rank 8 ones the updates will be released. It's the same as having people keep their duped items because they where the lucky ones to find out how to dupe before it was fixed. You either give everyone access to rank 9 or no one.

JC68 · Nov 06, 2006, 02:54 PM // 14:54

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Originally Posted by Fender

Perfectly summed up. If I could still get points just normally playing the game now, I won't have to go back and farm these later. Why do title have to be grind? I'd probably be really close now if I wasn't locked by just playing the missions and doing quests.

same here... sunspear title gives me answer to question "why just dont rush this area?" No, i want to get sunspear points, so i go and kill whole map... now when i cant get more points i kill only monsters i need to kill because they get to "my way"